Arif
Dafne
Rita
,
Sus
Chat on blogs
Monday, February 03, 2003.
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susannenyrop
(19:45:26): Thanks, but no thanks.
dygonza
(19:45:40): hi there
susannenyrop
(19:45:43): tere was having a family meeting now
dygonza
(19:46:00): I see
susannenyrop
(19:46:02): So I called up Rita
dygonza
(19:46:09): great
ritazeinstejer
(19:46:13): hi, Daf
susannenyrop
(19:46:17): :hugs Rita & daf
dygonza
(19:46:23): :hugs Rita and sus
ritazeinstejer
(19:46:35): :hugs both friends
susannenyrop
(19:46:41):
dygonza
(19:46:43): This is the url of the National Geographic map
dygonza (19:46:46): http://plasma.nationalgeographic.com/mapmachine/plates.html?id=4
dygonza
(19:47:27): I was telling Sus, Rita, that some people have asked for the
instructions to create a map like Tere's
dygonza
(19:47:45): maybe Tere has not read the messages yet
dygonza
(19:47:59): I think it was Don and Maria Irene
ritazeinstejer
(19:48:04): yes, Daf, i've read the messages.
susannenyrop
(19:48:07): Tered said that Joao had that map
ritazeinstejer
(19:48:29): I've also read one asking for the inclusion of Blogging
dygonza
(19:48:30): I found that National Geographic has maps that can be made
interactive
dygonza
(19:48:42): that was Maria Irene,
ritazeinstejer
(19:48:56): thats great!
susannenyrop
(19:49:05): I was going to write an intro about blogs
dygonza
(19:49:32): and I guess they can be put up on a web page, I don't know how yet,
though
ritazeinstejer
(19:49:34): Ive got several sites with articles on blogging
susannenyrop
(19:49:42): Tere will wirte an ansswer about map making tomorrow
susannenyrop
(19:50:06): Great Rita, just go on with the topic
susannenyrop
(19:50:35): I'm trying to put things together in my own head, too
susannenyrop
(19:50:53): Tere is collecting messages in categories for the end of our week
ritazeinstejer
(19:51:25): maybe we could ask ways in which readers suggest we could adapt
the use of Blogging for learning purpòses?
dygonza
(19:51:31): yes, that is how I did for week 1/ really do not feel comfortable
with weblogs myself
dygonza
(19:51:44): I prefer web pages
ritazeinstejer
(19:52:07): blogs are attractive in that they are interactive
susannenyrop
(19:52:24): One thing I've seen as important for using weblogsd is whether it
can be used by multiple persons or it is a personal log
ritazeinstejer
(19:52:35): both, Sus
dygonza
(19:52:43): I feel the structure of the weblog pages is oppressive for me. My
learning style, maybe
ritazeinstejer
(19:52:47): depending on the software chosen
ritazeinstejer
(19:53:05): its demanding, i agree
susannenyrop
(19:53:09): daf, it is a very easy way to put up content and share and
memorize annotated URL
ritazeinstejer
(19:53:27): more difficult to control
ritazeinstejer
(19:54:06): and definitely a commitment!!
susannenyrop
(19:54:13): It is just very linear and dateline oriented - there is not so
much hyperlinking inside the page (unlæess you get into more complex and paid
logging systems)
susannenyrop
(19:54:44): Rita, did you start a blog anywhere yet?
dygonza
(19:55:04): I feel that web pages are easier to go to and to post things the
way you want
ritazeinstejer
(19:55:07): not yet, Sus, im reading on blogs, but believe
ritazeinstejer
(19:55:13): once you start on
ritazeinstejer
(19:55:28): you are forever committed!
dygonza
(19:55:50): I have been to several weblog sites and none of them have
convinced me to have my own
ritazeinstejer
(19:55:51): we could start one together?
susannenyrop
(19:55:54): Daf, you've had great luck with yourgeocities webpages. this does
not work as smootly for everyone
ritazeinstejer
(19:56:14): that could give us more freedom?
susannenyrop
(19:56:36): Rita - sure thing we can. I also have one at xanga that you can
look at. but it is for one user only (in the principle)
susannenyrop
(19:56:58): http://www.xanga.com/susnyrop I think it is
ritazeinstejer
(19:56:59): i might find software to choose from
dygonza
(19:57:20): I know one where my colleagues in CAracas were posting, let me see
if I find the url
susannenyrop
(19:58:17): take a look here http://radio.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$14400?
ritazeinstejer
(19:58:27): thats a good blog, Sus! Congrats!
susannenyrop
(19:58:31): there are examples on multiuser blog tools
dygonza
(19:58:36): this is it, I think
http://www.blogger.com
susannenyrop
(19:58:52): I cannot use blogger on Mac (
dygonza (19:59:03):
oh no!
susannenyrop
(19:59:20): That's why I liked Xanga better
ritazeinstejer
(19:59:35): coulndt see the "radio" site, sus
dygonza
(19:59:45): I guess this is multiuser, because all my colleagues in the
Department were using it together
susannenyrop
(19:59:50): I also fear that the message I just referred to (Radio Userland)
is not for mac
susannenyrop
(20:00:13): I think you still need to download special software for blogger
susannenyrop
(20:00:25): Xanga is all browser based
ritazeinstejer
(20:01:16): have you visited http://www.schoolblogs.com/lessonplans/about
dygonza
(20:01:27): no, I am there
dygonza
(20:01:31): right now
susannenyrop
(20:02:19): I will take aonther look at schoolblog
ritazeinstejer
(20:02:58): I also find Jane Blogosphere interesting: http://www.davidjanes.com/blogosphere/
dygonza
(20:03:16): I am going to try schoolblog
susannenyrop
(20:03:43): we should de3cide for the same discussion topic in schoolblog,
then
ritazeinstejer
(20:03:52): with this i guess we have food for thought...
dygonza
(20:04:58): this is very school-oriented
susannenyrop
(20:05:16): Hm, how so?
susannenyrop
(20:05:31): Is is protectionist?
ritazeinstejer
(20:05:42): shal we invite for a discussion on Blogging?
susannenyrop
(20:05:50): yes lets
susannenyrop
(20:05:59): I'm a member now
dygonza
(20:06:09): what I can see so far are lesson plans
ritazeinstejer
(20:06:29): Maria Irene's site is good
susannenyrop
(20:07:26): you have her url?
ritazeinstejer
(20:07:50): but lesson plans could be analized and discussed?
ritazeinstejer
(20:07:59): a sec, please
susannenyrop
(20:08:07): brb
ritazeinstejer
(20:08:18): http://iteslj.org
ritazeinstejer
(20:08:32): its an article
ritazeinstejer
(20:08:41): we could ask for general feedback
dygonza
(20:09:30): I joined too
ritazeinstejer
(20:10:26): whether anybody is using blogs, results? suggestions?differences
with websites?
dygonza
(20:11:01): but I think this is a public blog
ritazeinstejer
(20:11:14): which one, Daf?
dygonza
(20:11:32): I do not see an option to have a private one, like in blogger.com
dygonza
(20:11:37): schoolblog
dygonza
(20:12:44): definitely I do not see it, or maybe my eyes are tired
ritazeinstejer
(20:13:21): are you referring to http://iteslj.org/
ritazeinstejer
(20:13:26): ?
dygonza
(20:14:06): no, that is the url of the TESL journal, where you can get
articles, I am talking about the schoolblog site you gave us
dygonza
(20:14:42): I joined, but now I see that blogs are public there
dygonza
(20:15:02): while in blogger you have the option of making them public or
keeping them private
ritazeinstejer
(20:15:12): need to go there, yes, probably
ritazeinstejer
(20:15:26): right
susannenyrop
(20:15:41): I'm back
ritazeinstejer
(20:15:47): wb, Sus
dygonza
(20:16:28): I prefer the layout of schoolblog, it is not so crammed with
messages all over like the other blog sites i have been to
dygonza
(20:17:09): but I would rather have a private blog
dygonza (20:17:22):
hi Sus, wb
ritazeinstejer
(20:17:31): i agree, Daf
susannenyrop
(20:17:33): the discussion group in TI2 could be used in a blog-like mode
ritazeinstejer
(20:18:32): have a look at A:\Blog(dot)Org.htm
susannenyrop
(20:18:39): but one of the blogger philosophies are the open knowledge sharing
(often drowning in very intrapersonal egoist blogs)
dygonza
(20:18:57): but it can be private for a group
susannenyrop
(20:19:08): Rita, is that a URL??
ritazeinstejer
(20:19:28): let me chech again, i had saved it that way!
ritazeinstejer
(20:20:26): no, sorry, its http://www.blogdot.org
ritazeinstejer
(20:21:19): think this one is public, as well
dygonza
(20:22:27): I really feel overwhelmed with so much information on the pages
dygonza
(20:22:51): that's one of things that has kept me away from blogs
susannenyrop
(20:23:16): Daf, it is up to you (as the owner of the blog) how much info you
will display
ritazeinstejer
(20:23:24): true, it happens to me, too much to chew and digest
dygonza
(20:23:50): this one seems to accept "all" kind of language
susannenyrop
(20:23:57): blogsopt looks weird on my screen, something wrong with frames
dygonza
(20:23:59): and I do not mean languages
susannenyrop
(20:24:39): I tried to create a new blogsopt but cannot neter any info on new
name
susannenyrop
(20:24:43): enter
dygonza
(20:24:56): where?
susannenyrop
(20:25:14): I think we should take this discussion in the mail list, too
susannenyrop
(20:25:23): at http://www.blogspot.com
dygonza
(20:25:32): you can copy and paste this message to the list
ritazeinstejer
(20:25:42): to me, the burden is the daily commitment, keeping it alive is in
the hands of the owner!
susannenyrop
(20:25:51): It is a zope tool (has something to do with wiki wiki)?
ritazeinstejer
(20:26:16): ah, thats another site
ritazeinstejer
(20:26:23): dont know yet the difference with a wiki wiki
susannenyrop
(20:26:28): my xanga blog is only updated now and then. I'm not a serious
everyday blogger
dygonza
(20:26:38): I definitely do not like the blogdot
dygonza
(20:26:45): let me see the blogspot
ritazeinstejer
(20:26:47): you are, Sus!!
susannenyrop
(20:26:51): Zopa and wiki is some Open Source project
susannenyrop
(20:27:25): OOps, I was mistaking blogdot ans blogspot
susannenyrop
(20:27:54): let's make another Blood Spot ?
dygonza
(20:28:06): well, at least this is more relaxing a place than the blogdot and
the blogger
ritazeinstejer
(20:28:24): right, and theres a tutorial
dygonza
(20:28:40): that's important, Rita
dygonza
(20:28:53): schoolblog does not have any instructions
susannenyrop
(20:29:53): I do find schoolblog very uninteresting and uninformative
dygonza
(20:30:18): I am reading the tutorial
susannenyrop
(20:30:30): which one, daf?
dygonza
(20:30:41): in blogspot
ritazeinstejer
(20:30:45): but isnt BlogSpot public, Daf?
susannenyrop
(20:30:48): ok
dygonza
(20:30:56): I do not know yet, Rita
susannenyrop
(20:31:59): did you take the name WIA??
dygonza
(20:32:15): no, Rita you can select being public or private
dygonza
(20:32:26): I haven't sign up yedt
dygonza
(20:32:29): yet
susannenyrop
(20:33:28): I think I already have one old testbed somewhere at blogspot
susannenyrop
(20:33:40): I'm told that my username is already taken
susannenyrop
(20:33:55): who else would call herself suysnyrop?
ritazeinstejer
(20:34:25): you sure youve never been here before, Sus?
susannenyrop
(20:34:32): maybe I created it during the NW2002 where I ended up with xanga
ritazeinstejer
(20:35:06): cant you see if your password leads you there?
susannenyrop
(20:35:07): I'm sure of nothing and I do not always keep a record on such
minor experiments
dygonza
(20:35:08): it says you can host it on your web site
susannenyrop
(20:35:23): yes, I'll try to login
dygonza
(20:36:23): you can even select the template design
ritazeinstejer
(20:36:28): but you can open one without having a website, can you ?
susannenyrop
(20:37:04): yes, but I call such things testsites until they lead to something
more concrete
dygonza
(20:37:10): sure, you will use the blog web server
susannenyrop
(20:37:32): blogspot is blogger! It was not so smooth for me that is why I
left it.
dygonza
(20:37:41): when you select a template design, you can change it later or you
can design your own if you know some HTML
susannenyrop
(20:38:15): just like in Xanga
susannenyrop
(20:39:07): interesting! I created wiatest at ?blogger.com in August 18
susannenyrop
(20:39:35): Michael has one there, too
dygonza
(20:39:41): good memory Sus
ritazeinstejer
(20:39:43): there you are, Sus, everywhere!
susannenyrop
(20:39:57): Michael coghlan was sking me about my opinion on blogs some tima
go
susannenyrop
(20:40:13): incredible, my memory is really sooo bad
susannenyrop
(20:40:46): I believe his blog is called WIA, then
susannenyrop
(20:41:09): hey, we're having a great chat, why not post it for this week?
ritazeinstejer
(20:41:20): yes!
susannenyrop
(20:41:47): At least this will prove some real hands-on activity
ritazeinstejer
(20:41:56): I´m printing the tutorial to follow it step by step
dygonza
(20:42:14): great, Rita
dygonza
(20:42:38): yes, that is what I suggested before, Sus
dygonza
(20:42:57): this is a good group-trial
ritazeinstejer
(20:43:21): and unplanned...
dygonza
(20:43:52): socially constructed learning
dygonza
(20:44:03): knowledge I mean
susannenyrop
(20:44:07): blogger can be public or closed, and the owner can decode who can
use it
susannenyrop
(20:44:21): eh, I mean decide
dygonza
(20:45:13): yes
ritazeinstejer
(20:47:07): shall we post a question, suggestion, proposal?
dygonza
(20:47:48): let's invite ARif here
dygonza
(20:48:03): we are discussing blogs in a different window
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Messenger (20:48:44): arif_altun2001 has joined the conference.
dygonza
(20:48:51): hi Arif
arif_altun2001
(20:48:51): hi all
dygonza
(20:48:58): Sus lost connection
dygonza
(20:49:07): let me invite her back
dygonza
(20:49:52): I wonder if Rita lost her connection too
Yahoo!
Messenger (20:49:54): susannenyrop has joined the conference.
dygonza (20:50:03):
hi back Sus
dygonza
(20:50:09): Arif is with us now
dygonza
(20:50:23): now, we have 2 Sus
ritazeinstejer
(20:50:29): $!!
susannenyrop
(20:50:30): O hi Rif
ritazeinstejer
(20:50:31): 4
dygonza
(20:50:43): good, we are here now
arif_altun2001
(20:50:52): hi Sus
susannenyrop
(20:50:52): I see no less than five of me
ritazeinstejer
(20:50:56): hi, Arif
dygonza (20:50:57):
lol
arif_altun2001
(20:51:10): hi Rita, how are you?
ritazeinstejer
(20:51:11): why have i got only4?
dygonza
(20:51:27): We have been discussing blogs, Arif
susannenyrop
(20:51:29): but as long as we all type in the same conferfence this should not
have any importance
dygonza
(20:51:34): Arif likes blogs
ritazeinstejer
(20:51:37): fine, Arif, in this interesting discussion
ritazeinstejer
(20:52:08): have you used blogs, Arif?
dygonza
(20:52:09): we have been trying different blogs
susannenyrop
(20:52:21): IS rif with us still?
arif_altun2001
(20:52:26): http://www.weblogkitchen.com
is my favorite
arif_altun2001
(20:52:55): I have been experimenting with them, in near future I want my own
blog server, too
susannenyrop
(20:52:57): oh, this is a parrot effect of multiple representations
dygonza
(20:53:02): kitchen? maybe I can copy my recipes there
susannenyrop
(20:53:11): yes, Rif is our man!
arif_altun2001
(20:53:24): well, it is hypertext kitchen..
arif_altun2001
(20:53:31):
dygonza
(20:53:49): are you ready to be our man, Arif?
susannenyrop
(20:53:54): is it a multi user blog kitchen?
arif_altun2001
(20:53:59): Try weblog theory, I liked reading and exploring the links there
arif_altun2001
(20:54:19): yes, blogs are meant to be open to public so that anybody could
contribute
susannenyrop
(20:54:41): but most blogs I've seen has an owner?
arif_altun2001
(20:54:46): also, ther is k-logs
ritazeinstejer
(20:55:08): but we could limit it to WIA as an experiment, to start with
dygonza
(20:55:21): why do I get a big blank space on the right?
susannenyrop
(20:55:23): Knowledge logs are they different in structure than the B-logs?
arif_altun2001
(20:55:25): K-logs: Using weblogs for personal and corporate knowledge
management.
dygonza
(20:55:29): what's supposed to be there?
susannenyrop
(20:55:53): Daf, can you be more specific, where, "there"?
dygonza
(20:56:10): on the site Arif gave us
dygonza
(20:56:32): on the right side of the page
arif_altun2001
(20:56:39): It is the screen design issue, I remeber cognitive issues about
screen design, they must have left it intentionally blank Daf
susannenyrop
(20:56:42): It might be a centred page for smaller screens?
dygonza
(20:57:14): I thought it was an image and that my browser would not show it
arif_altun2001
(20:57:42): First, I thought the same thing.. there must be something I must
be missing
susannenyrop
(20:57:48): oh, this IS a wiki
ritazeinstejer
(20:57:53): but then links come up
dygonza
(20:58:04): but on the welcoming page there is text on that space
ritazeinstejer
(20:58:10): wiki....whats the difference, Arif?
susannenyrop
(20:58:33): Wiki is open for changes from anyone, it is a matter of trust
ritazeinstejer
(20:58:54): so a blog and a wiki: same thing?
susannenyrop
(20:59:12): Vance pointed to the Wiki sandbox some weeks ago
dygonza
(20:59:41): I remember VAnce showed us a wiki page where you could edit other
people's postings
susannenyrop
(21:00:06): Rif, is that so? are wikis and blogs the same or , can I ask, are
all blog tools based on wiki open source code?
arif_altun2001
(21:00:23): Wiki is a tool, whereas Blog is the environment as far as I
understood
susannenyrop
(21:00:25): sorry for unintended doubble message
dygonza
(21:00:36): ???
arif_altun2001
(21:00:38): Not all blogs are wiki operated
susannenyrop
(21:00:51): there is another open Wiki called the wikipedia
arif_altun2001
(21:01:10): Such tools are briefly named wiki
susannenyrop
(21:01:24): a kind of public used contributed and edited encyclopedia
arif_altun2001
(21:01:29): There are some software programs available to run your own
blogging with different wikis
susannenyrop
(21:02:12): oh yes, several
susannenyrop
(21:02:54): I do like the idea of a cluster of weblogs, makes sense to me
ritazeinstejer
(21:07:29): are you still there or has my machine got stuck again?
arif_altun2001
(21:07:51): I guess we have no one to send messages.. exploartion maybe?
ritazeinstejer
(21:08:03):
dygonza
(21:08:24): I was reading Vance's message to Don's posting
dygonza
(21:08:51): also Tere's about the map
ritazeinstejer
(21:09:03): im reading hers
dygonza
(21:10:13): SUS lost connection again
Yahoo!
Messenger (21:10:39): susannenyrop has joined the conference.
susannenyrop
(21:10:47): oops
dygonza
(21:10:47): now we have 3 Sus
dygonza
(21:11:07): you are making this conference a crowded place, Sus
ritazeinstejer
(21:11:16): ah, wb, Sus
ritazeinstejer
(21:11:23): lol
susannenyrop
(21:11:29): HOw can I delete my doubles
dygonza
(21:11:42): you are clonning yourself
ritazeinstejer
(21:11:46): good question
susannenyrop
(21:11:48): I did save first par of our chat, before Rif came on, can you save
it for us?
dygonza
(21:11:58): I have it all
arif_altun2001
(21:12:01): I guess this is a lag in Yahoo, just to show off they can clone
too
ritazeinstejer
(21:12:03): i can, Sus
dygonza
(21:12:43): :wonders if Arif is still around
ritazeinstejer
(21:12:52): im sorry to have to say i must go now, friends
susannenyrop
(21:13:09): ok this was great as a starter
arif_altun2001
(21:13:15): Can you get my messages?
dygonza
(21:13:16): Are you guys going to publish this chat log
ritazeinstejer
(21:13:17): it was!
dygonza
(21:13:23): yes
susannenyrop
(21:13:34): yes, we should
susannenyrop
(21:13:54): I saved the first part before Rif joined us
ritazeinstejer
(21:14:09): ihave it all, can send it to you, Sus
dygonza
(21:14:17): you can set up yahoo messenger to save all your chats
automatically Sus
susannenyrop
(21:14:26): Rita, can you add it to your homepaGe or shall we leave this to
teresa?
ritazeinstejer
(21:14:28): how, Daf?
susannenyrop
(21:14:41): daf, I ve been searching in vain for that feature
ritazeinstejer
(21:14:45): I'll send it to Tere, yes!
dygonza
(21:14:50): ok, let me show you
dygonza
(21:14:57): go to the main YM window
dygonza (21:15:12):
open "login"
susannenyrop
(21:15:13): which one is that?
dygonza
(21:15:32): not this one
susannenyrop
(21:15:40): in the browser?
ritazeinstejer
(21:15:41): (taking down hand notes...)
dygonza
(21:15:49): but the one you always have on your screen when you open yahoo
Messenger
dygonza
(21:16:17): there is a label on the top ( the first on your left)
dygonza
(21:16:20): login
dygonza
(21:16:35): go there and look for "preferences"
dygonza
(21:17:05): on the left you will see a column with some features, look for
"Archive"
susannenyrop
(21:17:34): ah, when I open yahoo messenger I see the Friends list and nothing
else
dygonza
(21:17:41): when you click there you get a page with a couple of features that
you can set
dygonza
(21:17:55): maybe a Mac problem
dygonza
(21:18:01): how about you Rita?
susannenyrop
(21:18:09): typical excuse
susannenyrop
(21:18:28): when I open my account in messenger.yahoo.com...
arif_altun2001
(21:18:28): hehee, I liked that joke
dygonza
(21:18:38): you should have login, view, tools, and help
susannenyrop
(21:18:42): wb, Rif
ritazeinstejer
(21:19:22): im not following, Daf, sorry, reading messages, as i'm keeping the
script for later use..., and then need to leave in a hurry
dygonza
(21:19:36): I showed Teresa this morning and she was able to set her YM
ritazeinstejer
(21:19:52): i remember seeing this feature
dygonza
(21:19:53): well, all the information is written above, Rita
ritazeinstejer
(21:20:05): yes, Daf, thanks!
dygonza
(21:20:21): login, preferences, Archive, and that's it
ritazeinstejer
(21:20:26): and thanks Sus and Arif! its been a great encounter....
dygonza
(21:20:28): then to find your logs
dygonza
(21:20:38): go to "tool"
susannenyrop
(21:20:43): I do have a preferences to set from the upper screen menu line
dygonza
(21:20:43): then Archive
dygonza
(21:21:00): ok, go there to see what you find inside
susannenyrop
(21:21:35): I always have to copy & pasted into a text document when I
need the log
dygonza
(21:21:54): I just set it to save automatically
susannenyrop
(21:21:57): I have set my prefs a lot of times, but did not find any for the
conference
dygonza
(21:22:11): only if you update, you need to configure it again
susannenyrop
(21:22:22): well, the mac version for YMS is so much older
arif_altun2001
(21:22:29): I am downloading a paper from weblogkitchen to read more about
webloging, maybe it may help us more
dygonza
(21:22:48): great, Arif
susannenyrop
(21:22:58): Great Rif, this is the week for hands on work and collaboration
dygonza
(21:23:00): you are so thoughtful
arif_altun2001
(21:23:36): Btw, collaborative and cooperaative is still under debate?
susannenyrop
(21:23:38): this is a very clear example on socio-cultural activities and peer
scaffolding
ritazeinstejer
(21:23:51): CU tomorrow, guys, Im lingering....Thanks, Arif , again!
dygonza
(21:23:52): it sure is, Sus
arif_altun2001
(21:24:14): Bye Rita, talk to you later
dygonza
(21:24:14): well, I guess I have to go to
susannenyrop
(21:24:19): Well, do we have to decide about coop or collab, some like this
and others prefer that
susannenyrop
(21:24:28): BYe bye rita
dygonza
(21:24:38): bye Rit
susannenyrop
(21:24:44): And bye daf, too
susannenyrop
(21:24:56): lets continue on the mail list
arif_altun2001
(21:25:00): They say collaborative is more peer based, wehereeas cooperative
is more structured sus. Do you agree
dygonza
(21:25:21): I think that is right, Arif
susannenyrop
(21:25:23): Interesting definition, that might be a good one
Yahoo!
Messenger (21:25:25): ritazeinstejer has left the conference.
dygonza
(21:25:46): cooperative learning activities are very structured
dygonza
(21:26:01): not like what happened here today
susannenyrop
(21:26:02): Daf, why do you think so?
dygonza
(21:26:32): well, I have been using cooperative learning activities in my
classes for years, and these activities take a careful planning
susannenyrop
(21:26:58): this experience today was so great because we do have an agreement
to explore these matters but not what , not how and not even when
dygonza
(21:26:59): they have steps that need to be followed
susannenyrop
(21:27:08): I see
arif_altun2001
(21:27:24): so we have been collaborating upon a cooperative meeting
dygonza
(21:27:28): and people take different roles
susannenyrop
(21:27:49): Lol, rif
dygonza
(21:28:04): which are determined by the group before engaging in the
cooperative task
dygonza
(21:28:52): well, see you later folks
susannenyrop
(21:28:57): we also take roles here, but not so intended, just more like the
one who knows something better can take a lead, and then give the "stick"
to the next one who ahs something to tell
susannenyrop
(21:29:03): bye, daf see you
arif_altun2001
(21:29:20): bye daf
dygonza
(21:29:21): that's collaboration and scaffolding
dygonza
(21:29:40): bye dear ones
arif_altun2001
(21:29:41): How would you define scaffolding here daf, before you go
arif_altun2001
(21:29:58): anyway, we can talk more on it later I guess
arif_altun2001
(21:30:04):
dygonza
(21:30:05): the help given when someone needs it
arif_altun2001
(21:30:25): at the zone of approximal development?
dygonza
(21:30:39): yes
dygonza
(21:30:55): well, I am starved
susannenyrop
(21:31:03): The scaffolding is a very interesting view of social interaction
in learning in the Zone of Proximal development (ZPD)
susannenyrop
(21:31:08): get some food daf
dygonza
(21:31:18): I will
arif_altun2001
(21:31:20): and some sleep
dygonza (21:31:21):
bye
dygonza (21:31:24):
lol
susannenyrop
(21:31:24): I am reading >Vygotsky today
dygonza
(21:31:31): I will be around later
arif_altun2001
(21:31:33): you are! Cool
arif_altun2001
(21:31:41): Which one, an article or book?
susannenyrop
(21:31:45): will make a summary on ZPU and scaffolding